EP8: Jon Switches Seats, Scott Designs Stationary, and Chad Pinson Warms Hearts

From the Playground to the Foreground
"EP8: Jon Switches Seats, Scott Designs Stationary, and Chad Pinson Warms Hearts"

In this episode, Jon and Scott try out a new seating arrangement. But both bring props! They’re joined this week by guest Chad Pinson—the CEO and Managing Partner of Carr, Riggs & Ingram (a top 25, nationally-ranked accounting & advisory firm). Chad joins the guys for a conversation on cryptocurrency, daylight savings time, and the experience of caring for a son who's undergone a heart transplant.

For more info about Chad and his work, visit https://www.criadv.com or https://www.instagram.com/criadvisors/

For more information about organ donation in Texas, visit DonateLifeTexas.org

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I'm Jon Altschuler. I'm Scott Bennett. We've known each other for almost 50 years. We grew up together on the playground. And now we're in the foreground and still growing up. From the playground to the foreground. Join the conversation. I'm Scott Bennett, and he's Jon Altschuler, we're back on the playground. Jon, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Well, we've gotten into this game of show and tell. So I thought from our last episode, your question to me was whether or not I would be capable or functional in the need to make a fire. Can I make fire? And then I explained to you that I carry a Swiss Army knife in my car. So I brought it in to show you that while you might not be sure whether or not I can make a fire, I have always had my Swiss Army knife and I think I'm, I think I'd be okay. I wanted to, you to see it, let you. This helps you make a fire? Well I’m not, I mean, I'm sure there's things in there that could help me do that. I could, no? You don't think so. Okay, well, anyway, I wanted to bring it to you to prove that maybe your doubt. You know, there's things about me you didn't know. And this is with me all the time. I was definitely surprised that you carry a Swiss army knife. Good, good. I can't think of any of my friends. Well, I have one friend who I think one best friend who would carry a Swiss Army knife. Only one. Do you have one? No. So the story behind, I actually had a few. They're really good bar mitzvah gifts. In the day I got about 5 or 6. Swiss army knives. But this is the one that's remaining. The others I don't know, been given away. That’s that old? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Wow. I don't, I mean, the brand, I think that Swiss brand still exists, but that Swiss Army knife I've had for that long, for sure. I wouldn't use the toothpick if I was you. Yeah. That’s all I'm saying. So I was thinking, you know. Can I show my prop? I didn't know you brought one. I brought a prop. Oh. I'm excited about this. Oh. It's a letter I got from Scott who I thought was excellent execution. All right, good. And it commemorated our time together at the UNT Dallas Law School Gala, where we were told to wear tuxes and nobody else wore tuxes. But I like the feel of it. It takes extra time. You're compensating for what you think's poor handwriting, I guess. That's right. But I thought it was all very well done. And I wanted to say thank you for the note. I kept it, and it's very classy. Well, I appreciate that. And, I'm glad you shared it with me. I'm glad you got it, first of all. The technology works. So they do it all? They do it all. Okay. And, you know, for our viewers and listeners, Jon is renowned in his communication. How he follows up his, passion for the written word, how he, I think actually, you've written two notes or three since that to me, about different things. But they're all handwritten, and it's something that I've aspired for and worked on. And I told you that my deficiency was my handwriting. I should have been a doctor. So I found an alternative. And that I wanted you to see and I think as a result of talking with you and Laurie. Yeah. So do you think that that's? Yeah, it's good. It's good. I can keep doing that? Absolutely. The photo is what really gives it that special meaning to me. Yeah. Okay. That's what I liked about this. The service is not inexpensive, but I'm not going to send them to everybody. But, I like it. It's a pretty interesting use of technology, and it covers my deficiencies. What's this piece in the pieces mean? So it's your sign off on emails. And here in this letter. Written communication and on a lot of emails, it's from my, the guardian of my heart donor. His name is Matt Nalker. So, Matt, if you're watching, thank you for sharing that with me. He sent me some scripture. And at the bottom, after we've gotten know each other first written communication. And I asked him, like I was just, loved it. And piece in the pieces can mean a lot of things. I mean, what does it mean to you? But to me, it means peace in the pieces of your life, your family, your job. Right. Whatever you're doing, piece in the pieces of those things. Cool. So, I don't know, I liked it, I've continued to use it. I told him I was. He told me he can't take credit for it. He gave it to some, man that he had met many years before, so. Right. Others are starting to use it too, which I like. So maybe it'll maybe start a movement. Really quickly. I did want to bring up and I mentioned, you know, we've had a couple of major hurricane events, terrible sort of perils of the world. And last night I was totally blown away by the fact that I was cut on the TV, wasn't watching any of the shows or things that I might have normally been doing. I wasn't feeling well, but was laying in bed and watching the coverage of the current hurricane. And what struck me is that they're telling everybody to leave, and this is like the second or third time this has dawn on me. But last night, more it's so dangerous to be there. But all the news affiliates and, you know, I don't watch the, I told you I'm not watching that much local news, but like, they're sending these people into harm's way and they've been doing it, wars and, Want your thoughts on that? Like it's crazy to me that they're telling everybody to leave and then they're sending trucks of people in there to cover this. Is that? I've watched no weather programing, my wife's redoing the house. The TVs are down. So like I'm not watching it, but I, my sense is live programing is the most viable programing, think about sports. Yeah. That's the most viable. And I imagine weather might be right behind it in terms of driving audience viewership that's sticky and stays on and watches. Yeah. No, I mean. I'm not a media guy. But that's my, my sense. And it makes sense, right? I mean, for sure it's like the final frontier for them to get people to tune in. But at the same time, like what happened to human safety? Like they're telling people to flee like it is so dangerous there. And then they're sending people in there. It's like dangerous for everybody else, but not them. Right. And I just think like, where are we? But I understand it's news, and if it's news, we're going to get it. So anyway, I just thought it was interesting. I'm really excited about today sitting in different places, by the way. So we are sitting in different places. I like the feel of the room a little better. You do? Yeah. This is like, this is clearly the A seat. Yeah, yeah. That's the B seat. I agree. You’ve had me in the B seat for seven episodes and I said no more. I know, so I'm glad I'm still on the bus. You're still on the bus. Barely. Barely. We’re going to have a review at the end of the eighth episode. We're going to go through the tapes and we're going to make adjustments. Okay, right. And they're not in game. They're post right, they’re post game. I listened because I suspected this was going to be the case. I listened to a whole different song. I didn't drink coffee. It's going to be a totally different experience today, but we'll see how it goes. Good. You can find us on social media@PlaygroundForeground Don't forget to check out our YouTube channel and subscribe. Our guest is Chad Pinson. He's a great friend of mine of ten years, a dear family friend of seven years. And Scott, he's never watched the podcast, never listened to a podcast, and certainly never been on a podcast. So hold on to your butts. Chad, welcome to the playground. Thanks, Jon. And yeah, when Jon asked me to do this. I thought, I've obviously probably seen snippets, but I'm fairly certain when I say I don't think I've ever seen a podcast start to finish, including y’all. Sorry guys, but so yeah, I'm looking forward to it. This will be a lot of fun. Glad you're here. Thank you. So why don't you give the audience 60 to 90 seconds of who is Chad Pinson? Sure. Yeah. So, first of all. Hello, everybody. So I'd say the core things I want people to know about me is I've been married to the same woman for almost 30 years, Crystal, my wife. I've got three kids. One is 20, one is a senior in high school, and then, one is 16 and just got his driver's license yesterday. So we're hitting major milestones. So, girl, boy, boy. I've lived in Dallas since ‘98. I'm originally from East Texas. Out by the Longview Tyler Marshall area. And, you know, right now I'm, I'm running an accounting firm, so that's what I'm doing professionally. Like 35 seconds. That's good. That's efficient. I don't really want to talk about myself. I understand. Yeah. So typically we have a big run of show, a script of show, and we're changing it up a little bit this time. I have four topics that I've selected. And we're going to treat Chad like it's law school and he's in the corner and we’re cold calling him. Okay, I don't know what to expect here. This is exciting. Wow. And the topic is Bitcoin. I want like 90 to 120 seconds on this. But what fascinates me about Bitcoin is you were the first sharp friend I had that was talking about bitcoin. And I went to look. And Bitcoin is up 15,000% since you first mentioned it to me. And you were talking about mining and electricity capacity. Yeah, this is a, this is a sore subject for me in some ways because yeah, I was definitely an early adopter. You know, at the time, I was, running a cybersecurity firm, you know, heavily involved in deep technology, working with some really sharp people around that. And we all just became believers in the concept of cryptocurrency. Blockchain. And Bitcoin was the king of that, right. And so we went out and we built miners. I mean we were mining bitcoin. And this is I mean this is a tragedy story. When we were mining it Bitcoin was $80 a coin. Today it's what $6000. So I've owned and sold over 200 bitcoins in my life but none of them at that price. We didn't hold. And so I am still going to work every day. But yeah, I was definitely an early adopter. I've, you know, built three different sets of miners and mined them and been really interested in it. I'll tell you where it eventually devolved is, you know, I did cybersecurity and so we did what's known as instant response. Someone gets breached, a lot of times it's ransomware. And they say we won't give you your files back with the decryption code unless you pay us in Bitcoin. I would say the number one thing that I saw for years and years was the use of cryptocurrency being paying ransoms in Bitcoin, you know, so that's that's one of the big places that I saw it play out. But yeah I'm still interested in it. You know still dabble but but definitely had I played some cards differently, we would be having a different conversation about the trajectory of my life, for sure. So. Yeah. Funny. So. So, strikes me I wasn't expecting to pull that out. Yeah, that surprised me. I don't know these topics either, by the way, so total. This is fun. Yeah. You know, I'll be honest, I have been paying attention very loosely to it. I'm kind of an early adopter. Like, I like innovation, technology. I can see, especially right now, why it makes so much sense. To have a ledger, personal ledger, Bitcoin leading that. But I think it's intimidating, you know, and I, I saw something recently about people buying gold bars, you know, again that's become real popular again. Again. Not just gold, precious metals, other precious metals, I think I think I saw titanium. Palladium. Palladium. Something, again. So, like, you keep thinking, oh, it's going to be over. This is just a fad. Is this just a fad? Look, I don't know if it's a fad or not. I'm not trying to read the future. And Jon's heard this before, but, you know, Scott, where I became a real, I was just like, this makes sense. I've spent a lot of time in Africa and I guess look, hi to my friends in Congo, in South Sudan. That's fun to get to say. Maybe they'll watch this. Maybe it's this will expand your audience. And, you know, there people don't trust the banks in the same way. They can't they maybe even can't trust the governments in the same way. And so they need a way to store wealth. They need a way to do transactions that is safe in a different way. And that really resonated with me. And that's where I thought the cryptocurrency could really take off. You know, there there are really intricate technical payment systems in Africa. M-PESA is one of the big ones, that are just different. And so I don't think it's a fad because I think there's a need for it in that part of the world. And I think we'll still see that play out. So no, I'd say it's not a fad. That's that's why I originally sort of was, was a buy in. I could imagine. Bennett in 2015 leaving a job, having $9,000 in a 401K, cashing it out, paying the penalty. He nets $6,000, puts it into bitcoin, leaves it there. And now he can't remember the password. You know that, what would happen then is you couldn't access. Right. Your 68 million dollars. Right right. That's, I appreciate that confidence in me. It's funny I was with a couple, parents weekend because we have a child in Austin, and we were riding home from an outing and they’re South Africa from South Africa and talking all about this. There you go. Exactly what you just said. So now it's like two signs. So if I meet one more person that talks about Bitcoin in the next you know, things come in three. I'm going to be calling and being, like, what should I do? How do I get it? But but but it's interesting. Charlie Munger called it rat poison cubed, like bad bad. Yeah. And I want to be clear, this is not. Like the ransom. But this is not professional, right? From me, this is a hobby. Who does somebody call it like, who does somebody like, what do I do? Like, if I'm starting from the beginning, who do you who do I call? Like, now I'm going to call you, but yeah. Coinbase. Yeah. I just go to Coinbase, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That would, that would be a good starting point for someone in your shoes. Interesting. Why don’t we let our guest pick. No. No? Okay. Oh. Heart transplant. We just discovered this common theme right before. I was hoping y'all wouldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a shock. Yeah. Heart transplant? Yeah. So, I mean, I guess to catch everybody else up on this, my youngest son has had a heart transplant. We're kind of rolling up on three years now. We just had his three year successful check in. And I learned that Scott also within roughly that time frame has had it too. So we've we have that in common. We even said we need to talk about that more later, but I didn't know that was going to be in the hat. Well, we'll, we'll we'll broach that and then we can I hope we'll talk more about later. I look forward to meeting your son, too. Obviously, it's hard for me to think like I was actually today, I was with another, a liver transplant recipient this morning, who's become a friend. And we talk about. We were talking about this morning. Gratitude. We like I don't know, we've talked about a lot of other things, but we kept coming back to this idea about about gratitude. And, I suppose there are a lot of ways I could take this, but just curious, like being a caregiver for someone who's gone through that, like, and having so much more time with this child. Like, how has it affected your life? How has gratitude changed for you? Yeah. Oh, wow. There's a lot here. First of all, I'll just say that what my son went through. I mean no one is supposed to have to go through that, we live in a fallen, broken world. Right? But but him going through that is, is a longer part of a story that just made. I would say it made my life make sense in some ways. I actually don't think, you know, Scott he's adopted. Or if I told you that that was in like the last seconds before he walked in. And, you know, you never expect to adopt a child from the Congo who comes here and seems perfectly healthy. In fact, seems like one of the most healthy kids in America. Yeah, he's a state champion wrestler. And then, you know, a week after playing both ways in a football game, nearly every play ends up at Children's. And then a month after that, you realize he needs a heart transplant. But what a miracle that he was able to be here. And how that didn't make sense that I would ever go to the Congo, much less adopt someone from there, much less go through this. That starts just making some things. makes sense. You know, but and just really see God's plan in people's lives. But the other thing that I would say, I'm just going to use this as a chance, you know, I think you said that you know, who your donor is. We don't. And the way it works for people who don't know is you basically it's double blind. And after a year you can say, hey, we'd like to meet the donor and then the donor family can say, hey, we would like the people that we made the donation to. A lot of people don't know that. We obviously have have put our name in the hat and said, we would love to meet the family of this person who gave us literally the greatest wish we could give. And we haven’t heard that I don't know if we ever will, and that's okay. But there's the chance that whoever that is or someone in those shoes is watching, that's I mean, that's a chance for me to say thank you in a different way. You know, that's a very meaningful version of a gift and just the gratitude from it. It makes you more grateful for the notion of time and time with people and the preciousness of relationships. And I would hope that I had those as priorities before. But it changes you. Totally. Right? It changes you. I, I don't think we'd be, quite frankly, we wouldn't be doing this podcast. It took I asked Jon for many years before it took a heart transplant for him to say yes, let's. And I told Chad and we're sitting in the chair outside that there was a reason I decided to do this, and that was the reason. Oh, okay. You didn't tell me what the reason was. You said. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's a there's a Bible verse that just talks about God taking our old hard heart and giving us a new heart. And I think that what you went through and what my son went through is like a physical representation of that. And it should change how we think about life. Well, well, if I'm gonna tie heart transplant with bitcoin, he didn't know we were going to do this part of the game. Our transplant and Bitcoin. You might think if you had a lot of that bitcoin you'd be wealthy. I would argue this makes me wealthier. Oh absolutely. And that is how I feel every day. I feel like in a very different way I was hoping for, you know, I, I knew I had a diagnosis, my father had a transplant before me. So my family, we had been gone through that as children of a recipient, never expecting it to be mine. But it does. It changes everything. For me, in terms of the importance of the relationships in my life, what I, how I value and what I believe real, true wealth is. And I struggle with that most of my life up until now. So I did not know that. But but but as is the case, whenever we've had a guest here, I learned some really fascinating things, and, I'm looking forward to knowing more about this. Absolutely. And meeting your son and building a friendship around this obviously will have a lot to share. Yeah people don't know that we don't know each other. No. We literally became friends today. But, Scott, I would say one thing we should say, because people are going to listen to this if you have not raised your hand and said, hey, I'm willing to be an organ donor, please do it. It changes lives. So there's a 16 year old boy right now who is alive and thriving because someone did that. And it just, you know, it's something that I'm passionate about and I just remind people of it. It cost you nothing. It's easy to do it too. Cost you nothing. Very easy to do. Yeah. Yeah. And and I got to say, Jon, I, I, I know when he told me about the time when I found out that actually somebody told me this week that how he was handling it behind the scenes and, and, you know, a support system, I'm sure you had a great support system, Jon was really great in my recovery, too. I was just screaming at people to calm down. Yeah. Of course he’s sedated he’s waiting on a heart. But as is the case, I'm glad you said that. I should have been the one to say that I, part of my life is speaking, and I I try to shine a light on that because it's really important. It's a real easy thing to do. But lives are saved. My donor, because you said you didn't know yours, donated eight organs and tissue. There are people walking around, you know, and, and I should say his name because he's not just a donor. His name is Cody Richardson. And I try every time I mentioned the name, my donor, to say his name. But thank you, Cody. Because now I have Chad as my friend, and Jon still pretends to be my friend, so I'm doing pretty good I think. To connect with today’s guest Chad Pinson you can find him on Instagram. He’s a certified public accountant who serves his clients through the firm of Carr, Riggs & Ingram. You can check out their website CRIADV.com. To learn more about organ donation in Texas, you can check out DonateLifeTexas.org. Back to the hat. This is fun. Is it meant to be this difficult? I can see what it is, but I wanted to make sure I want to make sure there's nothing else. What is this? Because I can see your face. This is very exciting. You know what it is. I don’t. You have to know. Daylight saving time. Okay. Daylight savings time. I know why Jon, so I, I've, I don't know how long this tradition has gone, but I have a tradition where every year on not just the change to, but from daylight savings time. I make a Facebook post, some years it’s my only Facebook post. And I think the whole thing is I want everybody to hear this. I think the whole thing is ridiculous. We should not be changing times willy nilly to and fro. It does nothing. I happen to be pro the daylight savings time standard for time. I call that the good time and the other one bad time. But I'd be okay with either one and I just want people to come to their senses. This seems like something that government could do for us. A lot of the world lives without this and we live with it and it is nonsense. So I don't know what more you want me to say. Why do you not like getting the extra hour in the spring? There's no extra hour. It's the same. It's the same number of hours. That sun just revolved around the Earth in the exact same amount of time. You just basically pulled the sheet up from your feet, over your chin and said, I got more blanket. Your feet are cold. It's lighter later. It's in some parts of the year, but if we did nothing, it would still get lighter later, Jon. I have a totally different question about it. I opened it and you said, Just so I'm clear. What does that say? Daylight saving time. And what did you call it? Savings time. Yes. So I'd like to start there. I always call that savings time. I'm pretty sure you did your research. And it's saving time. Are we sure that's right? I might blame that on the producer. Oh. It's singular. It is singular. So you don't know the name. I don't even care because it's nonsense. But this is my, This is my plug. I do have a humorous Facebook group that people can join. Oh it’s so good, it’s so good. And be a part of it, but yeah I just I have no patience for it. You knew this would make me angry. It did. So, yeah, we need to do away with it. Why do you think we're doing it like there has. What's the reason for doing it? Well, I mean, there are two historical stated reasons. One was to help farmers, but I think farmers know when to get up and go to bed, regardless of what the clock says. They're pretty self-sufficient. But but really, you know, one of the things it did is it they thought it boosted the economy and had some energy savings at a time when we needed to do that. But things work differently then than they do now. I don't think there's a reasonable way to justify changing clocks back and forth, but there's a ton of information that says it makes people sick. I mean, heart attacks skyrocket because people get off and people shouldn't get off of their rhythms. Cadence, cadence, right. And look, there are things that I am passionate about and care about deeply. This is not that this is funny to Jon and I. I would I don't want to be baited into this seeming like it's otherwise, but but you put it on the list. It's my chance to say it. We need to get rid of it. And I think that our politicians are just cowards for not tackling it. Doesn't Arizona not do it? Yes. So Arizona doesn't do it. And then part of Indiana I think does and doesn't. And then, you know, you've got a country like China that just says we're going to have one time zone for the whole thing and never switch back and forth. So amazingly, they function that way. I've had to explain this to my friends in Africa. You know you change the clocks. I said, yes, we change the clocks and they just. They've got good sense and we don't. They can't get their head around it. It's actually a setting like in your vehicle now. You can just set it so, so like it's not just. That sometimes works. My parents still call and remind Chris and me it's daylight savings time. I'm like, dad, my phone just just changed. Automatically. How many people are in your Facebook group? I don’t know how many are in the group, I did the group as a funny joke. No, but I mean like as. I do all my posts off of my main Facebook. Do you think, I was just thinking it sounds like a fun hobby. Do you think like we could start a like sort of a movement and get people to like. He's been trying hard. There's some movement, there's a movement. I can't believe this is the topic, this is great. I mean, I might be, I'm just saying I have a loud voice. I can, I could get behind this, I could get behind this. I mean, I don't I'll, I'll be honest. I was thinking about it. It's funny, I didn't know was gonna be a topic, but I was walking. We always talk about walking on the trail because I've moved down to the Katy Trail and I'm like, is it going to like, it's my first, It'll be my first daylight saving or savings time, saving according to what we have. And like my, I think I'm gonna get thrown off, like, I gotta get out there earlier because it's gonna get darker earlier. Like, right now. I'm sort of seeing that already happened naturally. So this is going to change everything for me. I've been thinking about it. I'm not going to pretend I haven’t. Like, am I going to have to, Because now it's going to be darker. I know there are lights on the trail, but I just get, it's all stressful. So I didn't know this was coming, but, I'm supposed to, like, run a large business and we're talking about savings time. I love it. Thanks, Jon. Thanks for that. Pickleball. We were sitting at the chair before, beforehand. He gets up, he’s sore. He said I played pickleball for three hours today. Yeah. Yeah. I do like pickleball. I think pickleball’s great. It's fun. I've played a lot of racket sports. As you get old, some of them are more difficult to play than others. It's hard for me to find ping pong competitors. So pickleball is a nice, nice thing. It's been great. It's very social. It gets you exercise. It's fun. That is not what I thought the topic would be. But I really do like pickleball. I think the name is ridiculous. I wish it had a nice name to it, but it's pickleball. Do you watch pickleball? I watch highlights of pickleball. I find it almost unwatchable in full spurts, but a highlight of a really great point you can watch. So I catch that on like Reddit. But yeah, I do watch pickleball, but I play it rather than watch it more. So I guess I should also say hi to all my friends who play pickleball. That's, they'll like that. You don’t, you don't play, you haven't played or you never? I don’t really want to. Did you need to ask Jon that? I don't I thought he might have tried. I would have bet my entire 401 K, that the answer to that question was no. No. Why? Just the man that is Jon Altshuler wears shorts to the podcast and doesn't play pickleball. I mean, that's just deaf in Texas. All right. Am I wrong? Oh you're right. Yeah. okay. Yeah. But you never once played, you never tried? I don’t want to. There’s nothing about it that strikes me as appealing. I have played a little bit. I'm actually opting out, but my wife plays pretty regularly with a friend of mine. Okay. I'm opting out because after my transplant, I don't want to go back to the hospital. So, obviously you were sore, I've heard about this rash of injuries because people aren't stretching. It doesn't seem like a sport, like. I tore both ACLs. Are you kidding? I play with the big braces. At the same time? No, no, not at the same time. Wait a minute. You tore them playing pickleball? Oh yes. I'm out. Yeah, That's exactly my point. So I'm glad we brought it up. Help me understand what you look like when you're out there playing. I look like. Elbow braces too? Hundred percent an elbow brace, the two offensive linemen knee braces with a little hinge here. That is real serious. Yeah. Well, how are you protecting your Achilles? My Achilles seems to be indestructible. Where do you, where do you play? Williams court, is best game in town. University Park right there? Yeah, right by. That's that little court. I know where that is. Yeah, yeah. How many courts are there? Six. Do you have to reserve them? You do. It's a big controversial thing. People reserving them and not using them, and then they're too crowded and some of the neighbors are saying it is too loud. Apparently it being loud is a big controversy. Why’s there no bathroom over there? There is right across the street. Those porta potties? I don't think it's called Gore Park any more, but whatever Gore Park, they renamed it. Was he trading slaves? No, I think it's just they changed it to Centennial Park. Okay. Are you, do you? I’m not vouching for the name Gore Park. So do you have, like, a regular group that you play with? I play with a lot of different people. But yeah, definitely see like If you want to go tonight, are you calling buddies and saying let's all meet there? Well, it's the modern world, we text. But yes, right. Yeah, right. So you text and yet but you have so you've regulars that you like to play with? That's right. It's sort of like golf, right? And it's, right? For you that’s. That's right. And social. Except you're not having to pay which is great. And it doesn't take five hours. It takes three it sounds like. And your Achilles, both of them. That's really really long time to play. But I knew I was coming here, so I was like, I'm not even sure I can go into work. And so yeah, I played hour and a half is pretty standard. Special shoes, do you have court shoes? Yeah they’re court shoes. They're like tennis shoes. Yeah. What about the same racket the whole time you've been playing ever switch rackets? I, people make fun of me. I own a lot of paddles. So how do you choose which paddle you're bringing? Well, I play with one paddle. I own a lot of paddles. That's what I'm saying. How many paddles do you have, 15? I've probably got 8 or 9. Wow. I play with one. But you, do you decide like on a given day? There's one I play with. Only? Yeah I don't know why I own the others. That’s my question. You just have them? Yeah. Exactly. Okay, okay. And do you bring, so you bring your like your your ball like the balls. Right. I'm a big Facebook Marketplace guy. For the record. I didn't buy those paddles new. I bought them used, but yeah. Okay. And so let me ask you. Do they send them to you or do you go pick them up like. I only do in person Facebook marketplace transactions. Yeah. Are these $30 rackets? They can be, they can be $100. They can be any. There's a range. What's the, what's the difference between $100? Nothing? There's a quality difference for sure. The materials they use, definitely quality difference. You feel it improves your game? I mean is there game improvement from one paddle to the next? Yes. There's no chance I'm driving around town to exchange $100 for a racket or for anything. Yeah, again, I would have bet my 401K on that fact too. I would, I would just know that. Have you ever done a Facebook Marketplace transaction? No. I would, you didn't need to answer that. I know that. Jon, which of these two things, since we're playing this game, is going to be around longer. Bitcoin or pickleball? Bitcoin. Pickleball is. You think you think pickle Bitcoin will be around longer than pickleball? Yeah. What about between these three things? I think daylight saving time is here to stay. Okay. And do you think my heart transplant. Do you think I'm going to I'm going to be around long enough to see. Well, I don't think I'm going to see the end of daylight saving time. Right. You and I are both going to be out live by Bitcoin. Just the way it's going to be. I think Bit wins. I think it’s for real. But when we're like. I don't I still won't trust it. When we're doing this podcast when we're 90. Yeah. We're not going to be talking about there'll be, we'll be it won't be like, do you remember we did that episode about pickleball? Is that what you think it's going to be? Oh yeah. We'll be laughing about this episode. I feel somewhat ambushed that the topics were pickleball, I did get to pick them. Bitcoin, daylight savings time. Am I like the comedic relief? What else would you what else you want to throw on the in the hopper? Anything you like. We can talk about Jewish holidays that you'd mentioned. You know, I'm very interested in Jewish holidays. Well. Okay, so we're right in between this particular episode, in between the two major high holy days, as they referred to Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, and I, I did want to talk about this with Jon, because I knew I probably have before, but it occurred to me that Rosh Hashanah is the celebration of the Jewish New Year by the biblical calendar, and Yom Kippur is our Day of Atonement. What's weird for me is like in a traditional calendar, you typically at the new year, you make a resolution, but in the Jewish calendar, you have a new year, like you're making all of your, you know, resolutions and thinking about, you know, sweet New Year. And then a week later, you're going back in to repent for all the sins that you did before. Probably more realistic. I mean really think about it like I think most people outside of the set aside Judaism. Right. Just think about the traditional New Year arrangement in the United States. We make resolutions. Here's what we're going to do, and a week into it everybody's busted. The Jews just figured this out sooner. It's like, hey, everyone's gonna bust let's just go ahead and atone and start again. Right. Are you starting again from that point too? And that's why I, I was going to say I think it's real efficiency like that. I always tell people this is the week that I like if I've done something wrong. So I think, like if we had a disagreement or I told you, you know, cussed you out, which I wanted to do this week. You just won't do what I say. I know, You’ll learn at some point. I know I agree, I'm a slow learner. There's no doubt about it. We’ve we covered that in the first seven episodes. But it's a good week to, like, get all the things that you want to do wrong out of the way, because then, like, then you're down, you're clear for another year. So it's like one single day you can you you basically rid yourself of all of the wrongdoing, repenting for one single day. It's pretty efficient. You know, it's a whole day for all the sins. In the seven days that preceded? No just that day, just the holiday of just Yom Kippur. So atoning for which, my lifetime of sins or the seven days since the year started? The year until the next Yom Kippur, the year between. I actually think technically, if you skip the last one, you're in for the ones from the year before too. It's all the unatoned. Yeah, you can get right. Yeah, because you go back. What's unatoned mean? Well, this is the day of atonement. But what is atonement or unatonement? Forgiveness, right? Yes, by the way I'm not Jewish. But I. I'm fairly studied. Yeah yeah. Forgiveness. So so it is it is an interesting thing. And it's always perplexed me that we do it that way. And I don't know, I've thought about it more. This isn’t the first I have thought about it particularly this year. I thought, well, you know, because I was explaining to a friend who's considering, you know, studying Judaism and asked. And so I introduced the concept of apples and honey to this friend this year. And we went and actually bought apples and honey and, anyway, I just it's just an interesting thing. And so that is this weekend. And by the way, for it to both of you, if I've hurt you, it's one of the things we say, if I hurt you, said anything wrong or in any way, offended you, I hopefully you'll know that Friday into Saturday I'll be forgiven. So. So let me ask you this. So when I think about apologies and forgiveness, I think it's possible for you to apologize to me. I can accept your apology, but do I also have to forgive you? That's one of the central tenets of the Christian faith at least. I don't have to accept the behavior, though. That's right. There's a difference between forgiveness and justice. And I think people get, you know, now, I mean, if you put what's in hat, what's most passionate and important to me, you know, the number one thing would be faith, right? I also happen to be a lawyer. And I think it's really interesting to juxtapose the justice system versus grace, mercy, forgiveness. And people get really confused where they think, well, if I forgive the person, they shouldn't get the justice that they deserve from the justice system. And that's not true. I understand that. I would just tell you, I've recently been telling a lot of people this is just on my own self work that you can, if you forgive somebody else, you're no longer carrying that in your backpack. Oh I agree. So I forgive. So that's the reason I like it is you don't have to I can we can forgive, but you don't have to accept the behavior that created that. Right. So I think it's important to really be quick to apologize or willing to apologize, because I feel like in certain parts of life, until somebody apologizes, a lot of the people involved in the mess can't move forward at all. This is like, and I know I'm that way. Like, I just need sometimes when a mistake’s pretty major, that someone acknowledges it happened. They're sorry about it and they know what to do to correct it. And we're moving forward. Keep short accounts. Right. That's the wisdom on that. Keep short accounts. Yeah. You know, we've we've done a lot of teaching lawyers, judges, military officials, government officials in, in Africa and conflict resolution and keep short accounts is like. What does that mean? What you just said. I mean, when you need to go to someone and seek forgiveness, rush to it. Do it fast. And when you have conflict with someone, rush to it and work it out with them because it festers. It's funny how I'm very quick to rush to conflict resolution, or at least the conflicts happening. I'm going to like, really get into it. And I've noticed that there's some people that just need to have a little bit of time to like, let's we can I can deal with this, but needs to be later. And I'm always like, let's handle it right now. I think the don't you think the key is though that you handle it. But but I love the deal about on the forgiveness side where you're talking about the importance of it, I, I this is not my statement, but I read something where someone said having someone that you're not forgiving is like drinking poison and hoping they die. I mean, you know, when you carry that just anger and burden around with you and you don't forget it eats you up. That's right. It eats you up for sure. I love it sort of falls in line with when you say walk faster. I think you can. One of the things I learned after my transplant was, most immense gratitude for the relationships. But I also learned this to be a better direct communicator, but mostly in getting the spirit of gratitude, telling how much people they mean to me, how much I'm, you know, and but but I've also learned the other side of that quickly. Tell them, hey, no, or like when I don't like something. That allows the relationship to move forward faster. And that kind of falls in line with what you always talk about, which is walking faster. You can go further if we actually just do that. Yeah. Chad, thanks for a great show. Thanks for being an awesome friend. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. And Jon, obviously, thank you again for introducing me to Chad. Chad, it's such a pleasure to know you and, look forward to building a friendship with you, meeting your son, and just loved your willingness to take on these topics. And I'm on board with the daylight savings. Thanks. So I'll be in the group. It's great to know you, Scott. Thanks, guys.